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What the hater says : Episode 1 – Passing out Grammys like hotcakes…

This is a brand new category. It will present a discussion that I met during a counter with a Beyoncé hater. I think it’s very good, as fans, to know our “merchandise” and know how to use it. So here we are with the first episode of  “What the hater says“. The action has taken place on one of those types of videos posted on YouTube that are making comparations between “the divas”. The girl was a Janet Jackson fan, which made her angry on Beyoncé’s existence in the video for “Queen of Pop battle”.

Episode no. 1, titled Passing out Grammys like hotcakes…

Place : YouTube videos

Hater’s “problem” : “Beyoncé doesn’t deserve those Grammys; it’s very easy to take them nowadays and that’s the reason she has 16; these awards have no value.”

Post’s mission : to learn / help fans to handle similar situations.

Post’s “revelations” : Beyoncé does deserve her awards (arguments); unlinking the incorrect comparison made with Janet Jackson; the Grammy’s do have value.

 I’ve seen a comment that said : “Beyoncé is OVERRATED I don’t care what none of y’all say she’s overrated… Just because you have 16 grammy’s don’t make you the biggest artist in the world this generation is passing out grammys like hotcakes…it’s a shame and disgrace that REAL singers never got recognized and NEVER GOT A GRAMMY..cont”.

A smile shined on my face, and then, after some seconds, I started to clarify my mind. She wanted to suggest the idea that Beyoncé got all those awards because it is very easy nowadays to get them. From this it infers she believed that all of her awards have been taken with ease, hence the period of “nowadays” starts with year 2000 in her vision, because that’s the year when Beyoncé started winning Grammys. Then I picked her up and otherwise. Janet, who has released four studio albums since 2000, failed to take throughout the decade, with the same ease, even half of what Mrs. Knowles took in 2004. Let’s do a little comparison to Madonna, to eliminate the factor “Beyoncé had more promotion, was a newer and more contemporary artist than Janet, was more popular …”

I chose Madonna because she started her career in the same year with Janet and has an older age than Mrs. Jackson. So, Madonna, in the past ten years, was nominated at the Grammys 18 times, raising four awards. Janet was nominated only seven times, winning one trophy. These data show that Janet has had only 39% of Madonna’s nominations, and has won only 25% of Madonna’s Grammys. Why? This time there were the same conditions. Why was this happening? Madonna had higher intake for the awards that worth nothing? So back to the comparison that she have done between Beyoncé and Janet. Why didn’t Jackson got those trophies? After I told her all these, she replied me “okay..let me clear myself when I say now-a-days I mean in this generation like from 1990+ that’s what I meant.”. Well, well…so, according to her, some of the prizes that her idol took in the Nineties were also “given like hotcakes”? Then she stated : “there are a few people that had huge success bigger than beyonce has and they NEVER received a grammy in their career. 1) Jimi Hendrix, 2) Queen, 3) Diana Ross, and 4) Bob Marley”. If she previously said that nowadays meant 1990 –  present, then why did she jump in the 1959 – 1989 period? Through the comparation with these icons, it is understood that she claims that in their golden age the hotcakes were also very fashionable…I see the logic becomes a tricky thing when hate haunts us. Now, here are the clear answers :

Affirmation : “there are a few people who had huge success bigger than beyonce has and they NEVER received a grammy in their career. 1) Jimi Hendrix, 2) Queen, 3) Diana Ross, and 4) Bob Marley… this generation is passing out Grammys like hotcakes”

Answer : Grammy Awards were created to assess the artists with the greatest impact in the United States on each year (excluding the special/achievements ones). A Grammy Award is not given according to worldwide success, or status as a music legend. This makes her argumentation through those big name artists meaningless in this context. There are three types of artists.

1st : The ones that have become icons only because of their talent(s). They have no hits, or just a few, but they are known all over the world and they are respected. Some examples could be Ray Charles, James Brown, Stevie Wonder, Diana Ross, Lauryn Hill, Mary J. Blige, Kate Bush, Elton John or even Tina Turner. There are no more than 5 worldwide hits from each of them, even less than that. They are those of whose work is only known integral and well understood by music listeners, by persons that appreciate music that’s not for the masses. They are recognized as music legends only because of their style, their impact on other artists (always quality artists) or of one of their few masterpieces, but surely for their natural endowment. They are usually on the soul, jazz, blues, country, classical or rock’n’roll genres.

2nd : The ones that are everywhere, that are having hits, concerts, popularity, sales, records, videos, promotion and all. Michael Jackson, Madonna, Janet Jackson, Christina Aguilera, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Britney Spears, Rihanna and others. They are well known all over the world in their prime period, in one word, they are superstars. Some of them can be included on the first category, fact that makes them lasting even after their bodily dead. But most of them are having their time when they are very appreciated, which ends after their careers are over. They have #1s in over 20 countries, record-breaking concerts, and lots of expose. They fit, usually, the pop, R&B, dance and hip-hop styles.

3rd : This category is the smallest, because it contains those that are having both talent and superstar status. In this we can name as symbols Michael Jackson, Beyoncé, Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston. The genres they adopt are usually pop, R&B, with some soul, blues or funk influences.

 Affirmation :  “it’s a shame and disgrace that REAL singers never got recognized and NEVER GOT A GRAMMY”

 
Answer :  First of all I should explain some words. A singer is a person who sings, especially a trained or professional vocalist. Claiming that Beyoncé is not a great one reflects immaturity, not understanding in the field or simply too much hate to accept the reality. Talking about Grammys, 8 of 16 of her awards are for her vocal talent, meaning 50% of her total wins. I think the girl wanted to say artist, which consists in a person who works in one of the performing arts, as an actor, musician, or singer; a public performer. I clarified previously this subject. The Grammy Awards were created to assess the artists with the greatest impact in the United States on each year. I think I was very clear. And also, it depends on what each understands as being “real”.
 
Conclusion : When you meet with such situations that you know is saying something incoherent, and you’re sure that the correct version is yours, do not hesitate to speak your opinion politely and with good arguments!
 

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Janet Jackson and Beyoncé Knowles – Comparation (3rd round)


We announced some time ago that we will start posting a series of comparisons between Janet Jackson and Beyoncé Knowles that includes eight rounds. Let’s remember them :

1st round – Studio albums : Certifications (I made this comparison based on the certifications because the conditions in which they are granted are changed periodically, according to the decline in sales. It’s harder for artists to sell these days because of the amount of people who download.)

2nd round – Studio albums : Chart peaks (The positions on the charts show the influence and impact that those albums had worldwide, compared with the other materials on the market at their release moments.)

3rd round – Hits : Chart peaks (I didn’t make a “Certification” category like I did for the albums because until 00s the majority of singles didn’t sell good, and the certifications for them weren’t were not given properly.)

4th round – Music videos (On arguments and criteria)

5th round – Performing (On arguments and criteria)

6th round – Acting

7th round – Ability to offer variety (in everything)

8th round – RESULT (A complex conclusion)

The first and the second rounds have already taken place, and now we continue with the third!

Hits : Chart peaks

 

  • Janet Jackson

1.  What Have You Done for Me Lately? :

#1: 1 country (1 chart)

Top 3: 3 countries (5 charts)

Top 5 : 4 countries (6 charts)

Top 10 : 9 countries (11 charts)

2.  Nasty  :  

#1: ——— (1 chart)

Top 3: 2 countries (4 charts)

Top 5 : 4 countries (6 charts)

Top 10 : 7 countries (9 charts)

3.  When I think of you  :  

#1: 1 country (2 charts)

Top 3: 2 countries (4 charts)

Top 5 : 2 countries (4 charts)

Top 10 : 5 countries (8 charts)

4.  Black cat  :

 #1: 1 country (1 chart)

Top 3: 1 country (1 chart)

Top 5 : 2 countries (2 charts)

Top 10 : 6 countries (7 charts)

 5.  The Best Things in Life Are Free :

#1: ———- (1 chart)

Top 3: 4 countries (7 charts)

Top 5 : 5 countries (8 charts)

Top 10 : 6 countries (9 charts)

6.  That’s the Way Love Goes :

 #1: 4 countries (7 charts)

Top 3: 5 countries (8 charts)

Top 5 : 7 countries (10 charts)

Top 10 : 11 countries (14 charts)

7.  Scream (ft. Michael Jackson) :

 #1: 5 countries (7 charts)

Top 3: 10 countries (13 charts)

Top 5 : 11 countries (14 charts)

Top 10 : 11 countries (16 charts)

8.  Whoops Now :

 #1: 4 countries (6 charts)

Top 3: 9 countries (12 charts)

Top 5 : 10 countries (13 charts)

Top 10 : 12 countries (15 charts)

 9.  Runaway :  

#1: 1 country (1 chart)

Top 3: 3 countries (3 charts)

Top 5 : 3 countries (3 charts)

Top 10 : 7 countries (20 charts)

10.  Got ’til It’s Gone :  

#1: ———–

Top 3 : ———– (1 chart)

Top 5 : 2 countries (3 charts)

Top 10 : 7 countries (10 charts)

 11.  Together Again :

 #1: 2 countries (4 charts)

Top 3: 8 countries (10 charts)

Top 5 : 14 countries (16 charts)

Top 10 : 16 countries (20 charts)

 12.  Doesn’t Really Matter :

 #1: 1 country (1 chart)

Top 3: 1 country (3 charts)

Top 5 : 2 countries (4 charts)

Top 10 : 5 countries (8 charts)

 13.  All for you  :  

#1: 2 countries (4 charts)

Top 3: 5 countries (8 charts)

Top 5 : 9 countries (12 charts)

Top 10 : 13 countries (16 charts)

14.  Call on me  :  

#1: 1 country (2 charts)

Top 3: 3 countries (5 charts)

Top 5 : 3 countries (5 charts)

Top 10 : 5 countries (7 charts)

  • Number of songs to be Top 10 hits in over 10 countries : 5
  • Number of songs to be Top 10 hits in over 20 countries : 0
  • Number of songs to be Top 5 in over 10 countries : 3
  • Number of songs to be Top 5 in over 20 countries : 0
  • Number of songs to be Top 3 in over 10 countries : 1
  • Number of songs to be Top 3 in over 20 countries : 0
  • Number of songs to be no.1 in over 5 countries : 1
  • Number of songs to be no.1 in over 10 countries : 0

 

  •  Number of songs to be Top 10 hits in over 20 charts : 2
  • Number of songs to be Top 10 hits in over 30 charts : 0
  • Number of songs to be Top 10 hits in over 40 charts : 0
  • Number of songs to be Top 5 in over 10 charts : 8
  • Number of songs to be Top 5 in over 20 charts : 0
  • Number of songs to be Top 3 in over 10 charts : 3
  • Number of songs to be Top 3 in over 20 charts : 0
  • Number of songs to be no.1 in over 10 charts : 0
  • Number of songs to be no.1 in over 20 charts : 0
  • Number of songs to be no.1 in over 30 charts : 0
  • Number of songs to be no.1 in over 40 charts : 0

 

  • Beyoncé Knowles

1.  ’03 Bonnie & Clyde :  

#1: 1 country (1 chart)

Top 3: 3 countries (4 charts)

Top 5 : 7 countries (9 charts)

Top 10 : 12 countries (15 charts)

 2.  Crazy in love :  

#1: 6 countries (8 charts)

Top 3: 14 countries (22 charts)

Top 5 : 21 countries (31 charts)

Top 10 : 26 countries (36 charts)

3.  Baby boy :  

#1: 4 countries (12 charts)

Top 3: 8 countries (18 charts)

Top 5 : 11 countries (22 charts)

Top 10 : 18 countries (29 charts)

4.  Me, myself and I :  

#1: 1 country (1 chart)

Top 3: 1 country (3 charts)

Top 5 : 2 countries (7 charts)

Top 10 : 5 countries (12 charts)

5.  Naughty girl :  

#1: 2 countries (3 charts)

Top 3: 5 countries (11 charts)

Top 5 : 5 countries (11 charts)

Top 10 : 10 countries (19 charts)

6.  Check on it :

 #1: 6 countries (10 charts)

Top 3: 10 countries (19 charts)

Top 5 : 12 countries (21 charts)

Top 10 : 20 countries (31 charts)

7.  Déjà vu :  

#1: 5 countries (8 charts)

Top 3: 9 countries (14 charts)

Top 5 : 12 countries (18 charts)

Top 10 : 17 countries (27 charts)

8.  Irreplaceable :  

#1: 8 countries (18 charts)

Top 3: 15 countries (26 charts)

Top 5 : 21 countries (35 charts)

Top 10 : 23 countries (42 charts)

9.  Listen :  

#1: ———-

Top 3: 1 country (2 charts)

Top 5 : 2 countries (3 charts)

Top 10 : 6 countries (9 charts)

10.  Beautiful liar :

 #1: 14 countries (22 charts)

Top 3: 23 countries (34 charts)

Top 5 : 27 countries (38 charts)

Top 10 : 31 countries (43 charts)

 11.  If I were a boy :  

#1: 15 countries (22 charts)

Top 3: 25 countries (32 charts)

Top 5 : 31 countries (37 charts)

Top 10 : 36 countries (43 charts)

 12.  Single Ladies :  

#1: 5 countries (15 charts)

Top 3: 11 countries (26 charts)

Top 5 : 15 countries (30 charts)

Top 10 : 20 countries (37 charts)

13.  Halo :

 #1: 7 countries (9 charts)

Top 3: 15 countries (26 charts)

Top 5 : 23 countries (37 charts)

Top 10 : 27 countries (44 charts)

 14.  Sweet dreams :  

#1: 1 country (2 charts)

Top 3: 3 countries (8 charts)

Top 5 : 13 countries (23 charts)

Top 10 : 19 countries (34 charts)

 15.  Telephone :

 #1: 7 countries (10 charts)

Top 3: 19 countries (22 charts)

Top 5 : 21 countries (24 charts)

Top 10 : 25 countries (28 charts)

  •  Number of songs to be Top 10 hits in over 10 countries : 13
  • Number of songs to be Top 10 hits in over 20 countries : 8
  • Number of songs to be Top 5 in over 10 countries : 11
  • Number of songs to be Top 5 in over 20 countries : 6
  • Number of songs to be Top 3 in over 10 countries : 8
  • Number of songs to be Top 3 in over 20 countries : 2
  • Number of songs to be no.1 in over 5 countries : 9
  • Number of songs to be no.1 in over 10 countries : 2

  

  • Number of songs to be Top 10 hits in over 20 charts : 11
  • Number of songs to be Top 10 hits in over 30 charts : 8
  • Number of songs to be Top 10 hits in over 40 charts : 4
  • Number of songs to be Top 5 in over 10 charts : 12
  • Number of songs to be Top 5 in over 20 charts : 10
  • Number of songs to be Top 3 in over 10 charts : 8
  • Number of songs to be Top 3 in over 20 charts : 2
  • Number of songs to be no.1 in over 10 charts : 7
  • Number of songs to be no.1 in over 20 charts : 2
  • Number of songs to be no.1 in over 30 charts : 0
  • Number of songs to be no.1 in over 40 charts : 0

 

 Result

A.  Number of hits and years of career  

  • Janet Jackson has achieved 14 worldwide hits (Top 10 in minimum 5 countries) in 28 years career. Let’s make an average from these numbers : 14 : 28 = 0,5 
  • Beyoncé has achieved 15 worldwide hits (Top 10 in minimum 5 countries) in 7 years career. An average of these figures would look like this : 15 : 7 = 2,1

From what we’ve done we see that Beyoncé has more hits than Janet, in a shorter period.

Winner : Beyoncé

B.  Number of singles and hits

  • An average between the number of total singles released and the hits will be calculated. Bigger number results smaller success. 
  • Janet Jackson has released a number of 61 singles in her whole career. So an average would be :   61 : 14 = 4,4
  • Beyoncé has released a number of 20 singles in her 7 years career. Let’s see the average :   20 : 15 = 1,3

Beyoncé has 1,3 and Janet has 4,4, so Knowles has less unknown songs with every single than Janet.

 Winner : Beyoncé

C.  Hits and number of albums

 

  • Bigger number represents more hits from one album. 
  • Jackson has 10 studio albums and Knowles has released 3 discs. 

Janet : 14 : 10 = 1,4

Beyoncé : 15 : 3 = 5

  • Beyonce’s number is bigger so that means that she has more hits off one album than Janet has.

Winner : Beyoncé

D.  Age and hits

  • At the age of 28 we have Janet in ’94. Her statistic back then looked like : 6 (hits) : 28 = 0,2
  •  At the age of 28 we have Beyoncé in ‘10. Her situation by now look like : 15 (hits) : 28 = 0,5

 

Conclusion : Janet Jackson’s rapidity to have more hits in a year (it’s an average don’t forget) is only 77% of Beyoncé’s, to have “flop” singles is with 71% bigger then Knowles’. Also, her number of hits off one album is with 72% smaller than those of Mrs. Carter and Jackson had at the age of 28 only 40% of Beyoncé’s hits.

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